Hello world!
NATO Russia Rally is an ambitious project. Its aim is to establish better mutual understanding between the members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the people of Russia. The Rally will include conferences, round tables, video-links with NATO Member States, exhibitions and other events. Starting on 11th of May 2006 the Rally shall go throughout the vast Russian territory, including Vladivostok, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Volgograd, Moscow, Murmansk, Pskov and Kaliningrad. The Rally is being organised by the NATO Information Office in Moscow, the embassies of NATO Member States in Russia and by their Russian partners. The organisers cooperate closely with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defence and regional authorities of the Russian Federation.
This blog is intended both to cover the proceedings of NATO Russia Rally and to encourage experts and young people from Russia, NATO Member States and other countries to discuss numerous security problems that the world now faces and the opportunities for NATO-Russia cooperation.
posted by Sergey at 6:38 PM
43 Comments:
Hello Serguei,
I'm not familiar with the mechanics of blogs but this does seem like a good way to share ideas.
Stéphanie
Yes, the blog is really a good way to share ideas. It's now very fashionable troughout the world, inculding Russia. If any questions on its mechanics arise, just let me know.
Good luck for everybody!
Please look at: http://www.vags.ru/icis.htm
To: icis-cpv
Thanks for the information. Welcome on board, Volgograd! :-)
ok, we are ready to take off for our "Ermak-mission" on Wed. I will post some news during my prep trip to keep you updated. This journey will take me from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok.
cheers!
Hello everybody,
I'd like to welcome this initiative to create a blog. Hope it will help us a lot in sharing our views.
Well, touched down the ground. What a journey! Kaliningrad is an interesting place. Later in the week: "stanitsa" Samara. Samara is booming and an amazing city, there is still an old center and the river, quite something! Heading now to Murmansk to talk to the local atamans. In case anyone had ever doubted it: this country is soooo big and beautiful. I will keep you updated...
To: kazachka
It's nice to hear from you! We are waiting for more updates from your fantastic voyage. Take care!
Murmansk writing. At the risk of repeating myself: the town is booming and Russia is so full of contasts! the people we met here are very smart, energetic and interested in our common project. Heading to Yekaterinburg now.
PS: did I mention that Russia is REALLY big?
To: kazachka
Great. Now you've traveled more of Russia than most of the Russian citizens ever do in their lifetime:-) Good luck at all the following stops of your journey!
To: kazachka
Je suis heureux que tu fasses si bon voyage!
La Russie est tres grande pour de bon. Ne te perd pas!
Bonne chance!
hello! arrived in Yekaterinburg yesterday and had really good meetings with everyone. Everyone is really positive about our Rally and looking for the best ways to contribute. I met very smart people here who were eager to participate. I will skip the comments about "booming" Yekaterinburg, which it is actually. In general: Just, forget about gas, oil, or any other resource. The largest and most decisive resources are of human nature. Amazing amount of talented people here. The more I travel, the more I realize that it is talents of individual Russians that make Russia great! Next station Novosibirsk.
About to leave Novosibirsk for Vladivostok. I liked Novosibirsk and especially AkademGorodok very much. Everyone here is supportive and friendly. Most of all, our Russian partners are flexible, open and EFFICIENT! It is great to be on the same boat with them. That is the spirit!
Hello! In my opinion very interesting project. I would be glad to take part in actions which will pass in Vladivostok. How it can be made? I shall be grateful for the answer. Thank.
To aguda:
See the reply at your e-mail.
Greetings from Vladivostok, beautiful city and last station of the prep trip. It will be the first station of the Rally and rightly so! Last night I was wondering about this: if Ermak did his journey by horse, long did it take him and how old was he when he arrived, any idea?
To: kazachka
What a fantastic journey! Regarding your question, Ermak's story was eventually a sad one, so we can hardly say that he "arrived" anywhere... At the time of his long mission, which was too far from being peaceful, he was about 35 - 40 years old (no one knows exactly) and he was battling around Syberia for about 5 years... During that long period, of course, he both used horses and his own legs... So, better don't think that you are like Ermak, you are much better :-)
Ladies and gentlemen! I'm glad to see you here. I'm student of the Volgograd Law Academy. It'll be wonderful if you would let me participate in this actions
To: alex litvinov
Hello Alex! Welcome on board! If you need any kind of additional information about Rally program in Volgograd, you may write to me on cfsp@rambler.ru
Hello Everyone!
This blog is a great idea to communicate, my appreciation to the creators. Nathalie, I loved reading about your travels-- nice to hear about the process one goes through while putting together such a grand event, which will no doubt be a great success!
Hope te hear more. S:)
Hello Everyone!
This blog is good idea! I hope that other students from Altai state university (Barnaul) join to our blog.
PS special respect to moderator :)
It's great to have you on board, Barnaul! For those, who may wonder how the beautiful Russian region of Altai (with a capital in Barnaul) looks like, here are some photos
Hi! It was a nice surprise to see that our former minister of foreign affairs Ambassador Jüri Luik will contribute to online debates on the conference in Pskov. I will attend it as journalist and I'm looking forward to see and to hear their interesting descussions.
hi there
is anything known about the main points of NATO guys' presentation in Vladivostok?
by the way, why not speak Russian?
To g_g
Hi! The Rally should bring together as much good speakers as it's possible :-) Although journalists are usually very busy, I hope you'll find some time to take part in the discussion that we hope to have on this blog during the Rally!
To ivan
Hi! The main topic of the conference to be held in Far Eastern University in Vladivostok will be "NATO-Russia Соuncil: from Vladivostok to Vancouver". There will also be a discussion on two topics: "COMMON LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND МАRIТIМЕ COOPERATION" and "SEARCH AND RESCUE АТ SEA, MARIТIME SECURITY AND MILIТARY ACТlVIТIES". The overall program of all the events is to be published on the Russian module of the NATO web-site on May 8.
The reason why we use English as the main language of the blog is that we'd like to use the unique advantage of the Internet - an opportunity for everyone from any country of the world to have their say in the discussion. But Russian and French stay as official languages of the Rally and of this blog. So, if you want to publish a comment in any of those langages, you are welcome!
А че сисадмин не может настроить форму на русском языке. а по поводу нато поезжайте для начала в тбилиси или киев и там у людей спросите хотят они этого или нет.
Ответ на сообщение anonymous
Здравствуйте! Если Вы имеете в виду общий интерфейс блога, то для того, чтобы в нем разобраться, не требуется больших познаний в английском языке. Значительная часть информации о Ралли на русском языке будет публиковаться на русскоязычном модуле сайта НАТО. На этом блоге основной объем информации будет публиковаться на английском, чтобы сделать возможным общение большего числа заинтересованных людей из любого региона мира. Однако, в секции комментариев каждый может высказать свое мнение как на английском, так и на русском и французском языках. В частности, Вы можете более пространно изложить Ваш взгляд на проблематику отношений России и НАТО, которая, наверное, не исчерпывается вопросами вступления в Альянс Украины и Грузии :-)
Hello there! This is a great opportunity to know how the East Gigant is doing:D Keep in touch.
May, 11 rally "Russia - NATO -2006" has passed in Vladivostok.
I present your attention brief my comments:
All was is organized on a high level. In action have taken part more than 400 students, post-graduate students, teachers of universities of city of Vladivostok.
Within the framework of conference two big themes were mentioned: « the General lines of the communications and cooperation on the sea » and « Search and rescue on the sea, safety on the sea and military activity ». Reports of representatives of armed forces of Canada and USA, and also employees of the press-service of the NATO, institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Science, universities of city of Vladivostok were offered to attention of students.
The youth which has gathered in a hall, has taken a keen interest to all performances and has actively taken part in the developed discussion. The most actual appeared themes of prospects of mutual relation of the Russia - NATO and questions of military cooperation.
Participants also have taken pleasure in a beautiful hour concert of creative collectives of the Youth centre of Far East state university.
Participants of conference have taken part in videoconference with the assistant to the ambassador of USA in Russia Daniel Russell. Behind a round table acute problems of mutual relation of Russia and the NATO, including in a context of the Russian-American attitudes and a role of USA in the NATO were discussed.
During all time the joint exhibition « the Russia - NATO worked: the strategic partnership to which was shown special interest.
The participant of conference.
Много слов говорится и буковок пишется о совместной борьбе с нераспространением ОМУ. Это было козырной картой по убеждению всех в необходимости вторжения в Ирак. Госсекретарь США даже потрясал подозрительной пробиркой с белым порошком с трибуны ООН. Но порошок в пробирке , как уже потом выяснилось, оказался зубным, а карта несколько крапленной.:( Между тем, в тех же США уже столкнулись с реальной террористической атакой с использованием антракса. Как позже выяснилось, антракс был из закрытых биологических лабораторий США. Возникают вопросы: чем закончилось расследование того, без сомнения, прискорбного инцидента? Пойманы ли и наказаны виновные? Следует ли из этого, что Аль-Каеда, в борьбе с которой нас всех так убеждают сплотиться с прогрессивным человечеством, уже получила полный и бесконтрольный доступ к секретным лабораториям США? И не пора ли их взять под международный контроль, так как власти США, судя по всему, показали, что они не контролируют ситуацию с биологическим ОМУ. А это угрожает уже всему мировому сообществу в лице его без сомнения лучших представителей из агитпропа НАТО и не только. Спасибо за возможный ответ. С уважением, дата, подпись....
Все-таки Вы для кого всё это тут пишете? Для себя или нас любимых? Хоть бы разнообразили сообщения с мест и вопросы, которые ставят перед участниками автопробега "Эх, прокачу в обозе НАТО!" А то все ваше действо подозрительно напоминает тоскливые передовицы в газете "Правда" времен развитого застоя. Фотки президиума в анфас, оркестр виртуозов балалаечников, матросы с заитересованными лицами в первых VIP рядах.
На пост anonymous от 12:31 PM.
Спасибо за каверзные вопросы! Поскольку ответа Вы, вероятно, ждете не от модератора в моем лице, а от представителей НАТО, могу Вам только пообещать, что постараюсь обратить их внимание на Ваш коммент.
На пост anonymous от 12:49 PM.
Спасибо за критику! Ралли проводится впервые и, конечно, не всё получается так, как хотелось бы. На самом деле, этот блог и является возможностью для всех, кто имеет доступ к Интернету, задать те вопросы, которые упустили организаторы Ралли, и выразить мнения, не совпадающие с официальными. Так что, задавайте вопросы, выдвигайте предложения насчет того, что можно было бы сделать иначе в ходе Ралли, сообщайте о блоге тем, кто хотел бы высказаться по поводу отношений России и НАТО. Информация с мест не фильтруется - выкладываем то, что есть. Если те, кто мог непосредственно участвовать в мероприятиях Ралли хотят что-то покритиковать - свободно могут сделать это в комментах.
All I can say is that undertakings like this should be published much more widely in the media.
Why do we only learn of potential conflict (like in Iran) with Russia? Why aren't we informed that things like this Rally take place?
Do whatever you can to make this known - these are the mosaic stones to a better understanding and a long-lasting peace!
Arnim, to answer your questions, one should understand the main purpose of the "rally".
was it for breaking stereotypes? was it for getting to know, what 'blinds us together'?
of course not, i think.
what blinds Russia and NATO together? nothing. nothing but stupid diplomatic relations of friendship bla-bla-bla.
why did they come here? i think, to suggest Russia, China and some other players not to forget about the 'Western Power', about NATO and US.
we are friends forever, says a NATO officer looking at my eyes. say it to my granny, fella.
we are competitors and contestants, aren’t we?
To Arnim:
Thanks for the support! If you have some particular ideas on how the Rally, and other projects of this kind, may get a wider coverage in the media, please, make a comment on this. It's really important to make people aware of the ongoing events.
To Regionalist
Thanks for expressing your point of view. Fortunately, the world is not as simple as you are trying to show :-) Competitors in one field may easily cooperate in another one. You write that nothing binds NATO and Russia together, but how would you prove it? Since common threats are real and, in the end of the day, NATO countries constitute more than 50 percent of Russian foreign trade, how can you ignore that? Even taking the rise of China in the account, it's quite hard to forget about the importance of the Western countries, so they don't need to remind anyone that they are still here. We'll anyway live side by side, so we can either try to jostle with each other eternally or to get some mutual benefits from such a situation. Isn't the second alternative better?
Данное мероприятие более необходимо для западной аудитории, чем для российской. А само проведение и освещение автопробега создаёт иллюзии у западного обывателя о реальном отношение в России к НАТО, да , пожалуй , и к западу в целом. Отношение, прямо надо сказать, негативное.Собственно, и данное мероприятия, судя по всему, было задуманно, чтобы попытаться хоть как-то смягчить эти настроения в России. Но, мне кажется, что в данной ситуации более опасно незнание реальной ситуации и иллюзии, которые, судя по комментам , питает часть англоязычной аудитории данного блога. Впору-то им проводить мероприятие под лозунгом "Россия, которую мы потеряли и , похоже, навсегда".
На сообщение anonymous от 9:27 PM
Спасибо за Ваше мнение? А как Вам кажется, с чем связаны те настроения, которые, по Вашей оценке, превалируют в России? Это наследие пропаганды времен Холодной войны или что-то другое? Да и так ли уж распространено негативное отношение к сотрудничеству с Западом? Может быть больше равнодушия, чем неприятия?
А я считаю, что данное мероприятие необходимо для граждан России. Оно несет, прежде всего, информационную и образовательную функции. Я не понимаю, почему те кто «бойкотируют» акцию, устраивают митинги – не хотят зайти в зал и послушать, задать вопросы. Неужели им не интересно??? Наверно их стереотипы очень сильны!
Вообще я за мир во всем мире и считаю, что нужно со всем находить компромисс, а он есть, всегда есть …
Вы знаете, а мне очень интересно. Я каждый день, с того времени как началась акция, провожу в Интернете более чем 3 часа и читаю информацию о мероприятиях в том или ином городе. До этого я еженедельно посещал сайты НАТО более чем год.
Я хотел бы (если бы была возможность) проехать и побывать во всех городах, где проводятся мероприятия акции. Ведь каждая точка на карте несет что-то новое. Я мечтаю, что когда-нибудь посещу штаб-квартиру НАТО, но это совсем другая история …
О каком наследие холодной войны в России можно говорить? Это НАТО -- являет собой пока еще живой пример этого самого наследия. В 90 годах после падения коммунизма общественное настроение в России было достаточно благожелательно к западу и что мы имеем сейчас на руинах? Печальную поруху.У любого государства или группы государств есть своя доктрина Монро, которая выражается в защите собственных национальных и экономических интересов. НАТО является по сути военой организацией, призванной защищать в первую очередь интересы стран ЕС и глобальные геополитические интересы США. Что НАТО честно и пытается делать. Соответсвенно, и у России есть точно такое же право защищать свои интересы, своя доктрина Монро, которую, правда, почему-то называют ростом имперских и реваншистких настроений, хотя это вполне естесвенная и прогнозируемая реакция. Легко просчитывается, что дальнейшие попытки ограничить сферы влияния, все вот так взять и поделить промеж США и ЕС, а потом окончательно задушить Россию в натовских объятиях приведет к неизбежному конфликту. Уже фактически привело к холодной стадии. Никто не питает иллюзий: висящее на стенке ружье и приставленный к виску России пистолет рано или поздно выстрелит, поэтому России надо адекватно отвечать на вызовы. Бизнес, ничего личного.
1. Quote regionalist: "what blinds Russia and NATO together? nothing. nothing but stupid diplomatic relations of friendship bla-bla-bla."
Dear regionalist,
are you asking what "blinds" us, or what "binds" us?
What makes us blind are stereotypes, that is quite clear. Thank you for proving this point as well. What binds us together is, in my view, a common agenda in specific areas, would you argue that? In these areas, eitheir we swim together or each and everyone of us will drown separately. Your choice.
2. Quote regionalist: "why did they come here? i think, to suggest Russia, China and some other players not to forget about the 'Western Power', about NATO and US." Interesting theory re: "western power"... whatever is hiding under that phrasing. So, in order to make sure that people "do not forget about the so called western power, you travel to Vladivostok nowadays? How about a more simple answer: to talk to people like you, regionalist.
Kazachka, thanx a lot for the comments!
no it's my turn ))
first, about 'b_li_nd' and 'b_i_nd'. great spelling mistake, isn't it? thou i should have corrected it… doesn't matter, u have understood what i meant.
next, about the stereotypes. would u mind my using a kind of a metaphor to clear up the idea?
well, imagine that somebody holds a meeting on the topic: 'grenades and children, what b_i_nds us together?' agenda of the meeting: children's stereotypes about grenades.
then a military gay says: “dear children, forget the stereotype, that grenade may hurt u！ it will not! it will not burst until u pull the pin out it! so let the grenades round up u! please, forget about the fact that grenades killed some children in Yugoslavia, Iraq and some other regions. that gays didn’t have the democracy, so the grenades had to burst and give them the democracy. now forget about that! now grenades have peaceful intensions, moreover u children have the democracy. so, the grenades will not hurt u. perhaps.”
then some children say: “hey, military gay, what are u talking about? it’s a grenade, we don’t want to be rounded up by them! if we’re friends now, it doesn’t mean that they would never burst and kill us in future! so we don’t want to be close friends with grenades!”
but others argue: “hey, children, grenades will newer burst! let’s be friends with them! let’s make a compromise! let them be the global power and we will be their friends. they will not hurt us, they promise! forget about the stereotypes, children!”
yeah, it was just a metaphor. but i think it clearly shown my opinion about what u call ‘stereotype’.
next, about the swimming. i think we can swim separately. and the weakest of us will drown. and i will make everything in my power to swim and win the competition.
next, about the reason they came here. of course, i exaggerated a little. but i really think if they just wanted to talk to me, they would not make such a long trip ))
by the way, i wanted to talk to them too! unfortunately, they had no time for my questions.
however that may be, Kazachka, thanx a lot for your attention ))
"next, about the swimming. i think we can swim separately. and the weakest of us will drown. and i will make everything in my power to swim and win the competition." This my dear separatist is playing the game of the people we want to defeat. By doing so, you give them an opportunity to ensure their victory, after 9/11 and Beslan, it is foolish and dangerous. You cannot bruh off the fact that there is a need for cooperation, neither can you deny that this cooperation already exists. In many fields, not only in combatting terrorism and in intelligence sharing. You want concrete data: Ever been there? www.russia-nato.info
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